| Ramloti |
Muniraj,
when did you meet Babaji? |
| Shri Muniraj |
(Muniraj, as interpreted by Gauradevi.) The first time I saw Babaji, I
met Him in the Kathgaria Ashram, close to Haldwani. Yet, I knew of Babaji
before, when I was in the hospital and had to undergo an operation in 1960.
Then Babaji gave darshan to me in the hospital. Then Babaji pulled me to
Haidakhan in 1971. |
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| RL |
And was that the first time you went to Haidakhan and what was your
experience? |
| M |
Yes, it was my first time there and it was wonderful. I had the feeling
that I had been in Haidakhan before--I knew the place from before, that was
the feeling. |
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| RL |
When Babaji appeared to you in the hospital, did you know he was your
Guru? |
| M |
That time I was in the hospital, I did not realize that it was Babaji
that appeared to me. But when I met Babaji in the physical body, I realized
that it was the same Being whom I had met before in the hospital, the night
before the operation. |
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| RL |
Can you give me a very strong experience you had with Babaji? |
| M |
After I met Babaji, I had different visions of Him, like seeing different
forms of the Divine and like seeing His form change. The strongest feeling I
had was the feeling of having been with Babaji probably for many lifetimes.
I felt this connection, the feeling of this old, ancient connection. |
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| RL |
And why do you think Baba came into manifestation this last time? |
| M |
One of the main things is that He taught people to repeat the OM NAMAH
SHIVAYA mantra, and now this mantra is spread all over the earth. And then
He taught people to live in Truth, Simplicity and Love, and to lead their
lives according to these principles. Also He told people that in this yuga,
this time, the highest form of yoga is karma yoga. |
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| RL |
And how do you see people doing after Babaji left his body? |
| M |
I don’t have any feeling that Babaji is gone. There is no AFTER Babaji to
me.
And all the centers and ashrams running all over the world nowadays, they
are all running because of Babaji’s inspiration. |
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| RL |
And even when the ashrams have difficult times, still, they should keep
running and doing their work? |
| M |
It is normal to have difficulties, always difficulties come and
difficulties go. The difficulties make us stronger; they always teach us
something. |
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| RL |
What advice would you give people? |
| M |
People should go on according to the teachings that they got from Babaji,
and the main teaching is karma yoga. And also, one of the main principles of
Babaji is to be human. Also, He never taught us to quit our religion. He
always taught us that every religion has the same value.
When people really love Babaji and really have this connection with Him,
they can never really have difficulties or problems. When they have devotion
and love for Babaji, they can never be really in trouble. All the new people
who are coming now, Baba keeps giving them strong experiences. |
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| RL |
Why did Babaji leave you in this role? |
| M |
This I don’t know. I am trying my best to do the duty that Babaji has
given me, and what ever is going on, what ever is happening, is always
because of Baba’s constant inspiration. |
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| RL |
Muniraj, you do your particular spiritual practice every morning and
evening: puja, fire ceremony, aarati, japa, meditation; is this a very
important way to stay in close connection with Babaji? |
| M |
Yes, because whichever practice you do, this is creating a link with the
divine. |
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| RL |
There are new people who come to the Ashram who don’t have a spiritual
practice, and want to learn one. They are coming to aarati and doing karma
yoga, what else would you recommend? |
| M |
In the beginning, just teach them in a simple way: japa (repetition of
the name), meditation, spiritual reading. |
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| RL |
You also read the Sapta Sati every morning and evening, is this a good
thing? |
| M |
Yes, it is for Goddess. You know, each practice corresponds to a
spiritual stage, so whichever practice you do, this creates a certain
spiritual stage in your life. Reading the Sapta Sati is to create a
connection with the Divine Mother. |
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